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Cold climate heat pump, the truth in the cold

by Your Electric Neighbour

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Published 4 Feb 2023

It’s been 3 months so far after installing an 18Seer cold climate heat pump in Canada. Check out the results and comment below if you would like to see anything else. Thanks for watching. The unit here is a Napoleon NS-18 which is a rebranded Gree Flex unit.

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@ernestleo6284last year Thank you for providing an overview of the heat pump installed in your home. 2
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@bullboss7698last year We just had a Mitsubishi Hyper Heat system installed and we love it. Sure beats our old electric baseboard system. 1
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@pipertripplast year Great info. I reckon a heat pump like yours would work well here in the western US. 1
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@Sigma4Life9724 months ago Many people in Alberta have regretted their decisions with heat pump, heard few horror stories where it could not keep up with -40c, people have had cracked water pipes in the house due to freezing. 4
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@rgruenhaus9 months ago Our winter in northwest Florida is middle January to end of February around 20F
I have a Carrier Infinity heat pump system installed in 2007.
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@derekpresland4029last year Thanks good video, live in Sweden again a cold climate and ours works.
I think we have to mention that as it gets colder then they use more electricity.
Under optimal conditions the ratio is 1 to 3
That is to say 1 kwh in 3 out
This drops as it gets colder maybe down to 1 to 1 just the same as when it used as an AC.
They definitely reduce heating costs.
We leave ours on 24/7
So it keeps up with the fluctuations of the outside temperature. ... 1
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@Acoustic_Theory2 months ago Same as Gree Flexx, Tosot Apex, MrCool Universal. Napoleon may be a Canadian brand but the hardware is made by Gree in China. Side discharge is fine but you have to keep the snow and ice from accumulating in the fan or it won't start, so the same ground stand that is needed for normal heat pumps to keep them out of the snow is also needed for these. ... 1
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@techguydilanlast year My furnace is rusty and crusty so I'm thinking about upgrading anyway (so rusty I can't get the bolts to the burners off to clean them). Since I was thinking about getting central AC anyway, I kind of had a heat pump with gas backup in mind (main reason why I wanted a gas backup is it's easier to power with a backup generator). I saw these Napoleon units, along with their 9700 ultimate gas furnaces at a trade show. They look very well made. ...
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@flyingmachineworkslast year Well my Mitsubishi hyper heat units put out 94f at -15f the other night. I’m happy with it. Now -15 is not normal for here. We design for 0f and my house has 2 other heat systems. 5
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@charlespierce3647last year They work great in south Mississippi USA.
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@petanders1968last year We have Daikin split systems in our house in UK, so far the worst cold spell last month temp went as low as 6 c, and they were taking a few more minutes to warm up and then pump hot air throughout, but certainly acceptable ,we have retained a gas supply too as a backup for the gas fire in main living room which we turn on in the evenings if really chilly. ... 6
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@davidwilliams4498last year New modern technology heat pumps work well in very cold temps. Old conventional heat pumps primarily built for Florida winters. Old base heat pumps in very cold temps will run an run unless backed by an auxiliary heat source like nat gas propane or 60 amp electric heat. ... 2
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@davidwelty9763last year In Sweden there are thousands of heat pumps installed all over the country. New heat pumps can manage these cold temps. Even in northern Sweden where it’s bitter cold. 2
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@davidb59525 months ago Air source heat pump working just fine in Western NY snow belt. Cheaper to operate than propane. Only complaint is the noise from the compressor when defrosting can be annoying.
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@JamesBergeronlast year It dropped to -33Celcius a few weeks ago here. My heat pump (mitsubishi zuba hyper heat) worked just fine to keep the house at temp until -27C. When it dropped to -33C it gave up and the aux heat turned on. That was the only time all winter it used Aux and it only used it for a few hours over night, it returned back to heat pump operation around 9am when the temp rose from -32C to -27C. My senville Aura in my Garage kept going but I lost about 3C in the garage total temp. Not a big deal. ... 18
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@Holler_Rat9 months ago Unless Canada has a Gree factory, that may not be Canadian. Take a look at Gree Flexx. 2
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@ctskidoolast year Absolutely. I have a Fujitsu XLTH and it produced heat at -18F. If you don't get one designed for low temperatures then no.
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@jko0526last year I had the Mitsubishi Intelli-Heat system installed last month and I noticed that whenever it’s below 25 degrees Fahrenheit the system switches to the back up natural gas furnace. I believe that the problem is in the Mitsubishi brand thermostat which I just absolutely hate! My outdoor unit is the Hyper-Heat cold climate so I know that it can handle much lower temperatures. ... 1
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@andyj2567 months ago Good video showing cost savings. First time I’ve seen the napoleon unit. Seems the same RE-branded Gree as Mr Cool universal and AirTemps inverter heat pump. Anyone know any other rebrands of same unit to add to the list? I own 2 Mr cools and they seem top knotch quality so far. Everyone just says replacement parts can be difficult, which is why I’m trying to figure out a list of who all sells the same units. ...
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@rpaulpenlast year Thanks for the vid. Do you have any comparative $ to heat numbers based on what you had before? 2
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@curtbradley549last year YES !!You have to BUY the RIGHT unit measured for the space and local weather!!! Like anything else !! I am in the BC interior of CANADA and we have a mini split , it got to minus 20 for a week look it up if your a disbeliever ,we were fine !! 20 plus and cozy !! BUY RIGHT ,INSTALL RIGHT good to go !! OH ya forgot to mention it gets HOT here in the summer and we have the added comfort of AC which work amazingly well !! ... 8
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@tipfro2last year I’ve ran my Bosch to 15* f . Works great. My electric bill has went down from original forced air unit. 2
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@danielhochohaolast year More curious on the actual energy consumption on heatpump over gas. Is it actually cheaper to run heatpump over high efficiency furnance?
Thank you so much 2
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@yatcojoslast year Great job on this.. I learned a few things from you... We are building a new home in Toronto and would like to know if you would suggest heat pump with furnace or HVAC? We do have natural gas available. Would like to know which is more economical. I have been told Daikin is a better model for heat pump.. Is this a good and reliable unit? ...
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@michaeltester61743 months ago How many Sq foot is your home? The NS-18 Series is a 2 ton HP. I just had one installed aswell, a 2.5 ton system and I'm a little worried it may be a little too small for my application and would like to compare, since our heat pumps are relatively same size (and same climate, since I'm in the same region as you). Like yours, I am gas as a secondary source and it'll kick on at -20 I believe. Btw, I recognize that glass roof from anywhere. Nice Model Y! ...
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@bkc97084 months ago Hello EN, from Ontario here. I just had cold climate Heat pump ( dual fuel) installed yesterday with a new ecobee thermostat. My question is when during a defrost cycle, is my fan supposed to blow cold air in the house?. Is my alternate heat supposed to kick in during the defrost cycle? Very new to heat pumps...thanks ...
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@rafat1407last year Do you also using "NAPOLEON EQHUB SMART THERMOSTAT"? How your heat pump is functioning along with your furnace and thermostat? This heat pump have 2-stage compressor, how did you wire this heat pump to your thermostat and from thermostat to furnace? It would be great if you share some feedback. ...
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@ryanschotsman2055last year Thank you for the video, did you go through the greener homes grant? With retrofitting the heat pump into you existing furnace instead of going with an air handler how much of the $5000 grant did you receive?
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@joewiddup9753last year I've got one of the Senville Aura units good to -30c here in Saskatchewan. It will work that low. But gas is a fair bit cheaper because COP falls off a cliff. Best guess is that it has to be above -7 outside to beat my newer furnace on cost. Which of course it almost never is in winter. Given electricity is so much higher cost in Ontario, where is your transition with your system? ... 1
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@Cheeky-fingerslast year Have one in our office at work. Yes it does produce heat in temperatures as low as minus 10c. The only problem is when it gets below zero it keeps having to go into defrost mode. In a listed building in the UK, the insulation is poor so heat is lost very quickly. ...
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@canoebelue5 months ago I think I'll replace my 18 yr old pump & dump geothermal with one of these, when something expensive breaks on it. It's been a good one, put one $300 fan control board on it in 18 yrs. Well pumps haven't done as good... ...
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@COSolar6419last year Yes they do work in cold climates but you have to select the right heat pump for the specific building and climate. Heat pumps are built with many different capacities. 16
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@wes2460last month I have been looking at replacing my heat pump. I know I am going with Gree,Cooper and Hunter ,Panasonic, probably Panasonic. My Rheem Heat pump is well okay it works but is loud and does not heat worth a flip . I do know that I am installing it my self. ...
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@willwillits7472last year Mine must be rated for 38°F. It sucks and can’t keep the house at 68°F. In Arkansas. 1
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@balalalala13last year Than you so much. Any change in the last month?
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@taharalloui5897last year The real question is how does this heat pump achieving this performance at such low temprature? If it's by using the electrical strips then I guess power consumption will be significant which in turn will increase the cost of your utility bills. ...
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@waynebeck7801last year A. You pair any heat pump with a gas furnace or does it have to be a package?
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@ccampbell1117last year So are you saying you need to run an additional heating source to help it keep up ?
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@dfinmalast year Windchill is not temperature and does not affect heat pumps from an ambient temperature perspective*. Decades ago I new people would confuse windchill (and heat index) and, yeah, it's still happening.
* Yes, wind(chill) affects convective cooling and tbh I don't know how it affects a heat pump, but all you need to do is put a shroud around the heat pump to neutralize the effect. Regardless, windchill is the cooling effect on exposed skin. ...
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@jetg205911 months ago Hey I just wanted to say hey to a Canadian
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@kevingauci5528last year Thanks for sharing! We're also in southern Ontario, and we're having a ducted cold climate 20 seer heat pump installed in a couple weeks, as well as a Rheem Hybrid heat pump electric water heater. Needless to say we are quite excited to be ditching more gas! Wondering if you have a rough idea of your kwh usage for your heat pump per month for January and or December? Thanks either way! ... 5
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@Steavaridge5 months ago My neighbour just got one installed between our houses and it is noisy enough to notice in our house to the point where it wakes us up frequently so I’m looking for sound insulating solutions! I’ve heard other complaints for noise with this type of heating! Very disappointed ...
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@everTriumphlast year The problem is not the cold (within reason), it is cold in combination with humidity. Dry cold is no problem, but in the UK we have a lot of humid air and temperatures less than say 6C. This causes condensation and icing. This means the system has to de-ice and fall back to electric heating which is expensive in the UK. ... 4
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@TaylorZ2last year I have a zoneline style heat pump/resistance heat HVAC unit and if it runs twice as long on heat pump mode versus resistance heat, where's the savings? Also it's completely ineffective below maybe 35 or 30 degrees, but I don't think it is a "cold climate" heat pump. ...
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@xGroteskx6 months ago Wheres the info for -40c canadian north?? Seems to me like 60 degrees south of us benefit from this. We have permafrost throughout the north!
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@frontendmayhem124711 months ago Does it really save as much on utility bills compared to traditional furnace and ac unit? 1
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@jcarterlalast year Ours works until it's about 10 degrees or colder outside.
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@bigdogbulldog99125 months ago How much is it yo install this type of set up ?
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@paulcheng8811 months ago You have a Tesla and heat pump, what is the total electricity cost? Way cheaper than before when they are 3 separate bills?
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@michaelwilliams4980last year How much does it cost to run? What is your elect bill? 1
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@ladislaoortiz8420last year Why do you have so many leaf plants next to your unit.??
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@yossarianmnichols9641last year SEER is not the important specification. COR at specific temperatures is the right spec to rely on for heating efficiency. 1
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@Triple5livelast month We’ve had heat pump water hot water systems in Australia for 15 years and they’re ok, but when it gets cold, that thing runs all night, and then comes on again at 5pm when electricity gets expensive. Old Tank leaks now and we are replacing with straight electric on a timer. More efficient in winter and way cheaper. Our original was purchased with government hand outs, cost us $50. Now they’re about $5000. No thanks. ...
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@piapplelast year roughly how much is the total cost to install one ?
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@edc1569last year Does air conditioning work in the hot?
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@anomamos9095last year There are two basic types of heat pump.
An air to air heat pump AKA a reverse cycle air conditioning unit and a
Geo thermal heat pump.
A geo thermal requires either series of deep bores be dug well below the frost line to insert pipes that cycle a thermal media through to exchange heat from the ground or massive trenches be dug to lay the pipes into. A geo thermal will work extremely well as long as it doesn’t freeze the ground which would only happen once in an ice age. These are expensive to retrofit but are the cheapest to use as most just need a few fans and pumps.
Air to air cost as much as a regular aircon to run and install. ...
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@albinoadrianocordeiro992911 months ago what's the savings on a montly basis? Will you recover the investment in time?
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@stewartread4235last year Heat pump? I've got AC units in my house that can switch to heat mode (20 years old), so some bright spark changed their name to heat pump that can switch to AC units to cool, genius.! What a sales gimmick. 1
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@jolyonwelsh9834last year I just use resistance heat. It's simpler and cheaper to buy and install.
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@rogersmith7396last year Should you buy an oversized unit for heating? Could you put a propane burner in the outside unit to increase air temp over the coil? I am not considering a mini split. Too expensive and ugly.
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@SonicOrbStudioslast year I imagine the unit is kicking on electric strips at that temperature
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@jimskirtt5717last year Did you mean something else, as you evidently know electric is 100% efficient (virtually)? Or did I misunderstand your video?
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@knitterscheidtlast year mmm...well I had a heat pump when I lived in Florida, when the temp was below 40 Fahrenheit it didn't do much and the aux heat came on, of course this was one that looked like an a/c unit. However it was a high efficiency unit from a major manufacturer and it was constantly breaking down, the circuit board, blower and all kinds of electronic parts were very unreliable and never less than $500 to fix. my neighbor bought a high efficiency unit from one of the best selling manufacturers and had the same experience with breakdowns and repair costs. ... 3
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@prothermal-ca8 months ago canadian made😂😂😂 sticker may be, but not sure. yes,this is gree unit,straight from china. sell them a lot. hope compressors will not die after 5 years)
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@williamrgutrich7694last year Heating your home with 97 degree air? What was not discussed was how expensive is it to run a heat pump in cold weather. Once the strip heat comes on $$$$. It works, but at what cost? 1
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@smacleod69last year Then when one of the power boards fails within a couple years it will cost 1500 dollars to replace!
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@PHamsterlast year I don’t think that’s “Canadian” made. It looks like a Gree Flexx (Made in China) aka MrCool Universal aka GE Connect aka ACPro X-Series 1
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@gtrguyinazlast year They do not work well below 20 degrees F.
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@slims26856 months ago Definitely not a made in Canada product, Gree's are a Chinese company. I sell the tosot from gree same shit different name. but gree does make a good HP
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@TheTor1193last year Fossil fuel corporations and their boards are working hard to make fewer cold days all over the planet, so go ahead and get that heat pump! 8
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@aaronthenorm5400last year As an American; please don't interpret Celsius- fahrenheit; Celsius is soooo much better and if my fellow Americans are too lazy to take the 10 minutes to learn it, forget them! 1
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@guytech7310last year issue is that you kinda cherry picked the heat pump as there is no snow on the grounds and there wasn't any significant moisture to cause the unit to freeze up. Also the efficienty of heat pumps drops as the temperature drops. if you look at most heat pump data sheets the either show a decline in COP or reduction in heat flow.
Another issue with heat pumps if you lose power in bad weather its unlikely you be able to use a small backup generator to run it. Usuually a gas\oil fired system can be powered using a small generator. I think a lot of people will get screwed using heat pumps if there is a major power outage that takes a week or more during freezing weather conditions. ... 1
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@robertdavis3433last year 97 degrees suck. Have to install heat strips. Together 118 degrees. Need second stage to come on. Competes real good with gas.
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@tenaguin1054last year Today people purchasing homes do mot get to choose their mechanicals like HVAC systems. When a home is built unless it is custom, the builder usually goes the cheapest way to meet any building requirements set for the location. Years later it comes out that alot of that stuff was wrong and not the healthiest. Not sure how improvement can be made but it is what it is.
Saying this, I had a heat pump in California. I was never warm in the winter, if thermostat was changed to help heat the small home, 1400sf, my electricity would jump to an unaffordable range.
I don't have a heat pump now and
It would be a deal breaker for me.
My choice would be never to use a heat pump again. ...
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@PilotVBalllast year Sounds incredibly inefficient since it has to run longer to produce heat and it has to run defrost cycles that legacy central heaters never have to run. 1
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@stephenjenner484last year Basically they run constantly. I’d love to see how the massive hydro consumption compares to gas consumption of a furnace with all this BS carbon charge for gas factored in. We couldn’t run a heat pump only at night in low peak power cost like you could a/c. I also don’t think it’s a nice heat at 97f nothing like a gas furnace. ... 1
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@abrahamlokoski4475last year Avoid. I purchased a heat pump (installed professionally) to heat my home in lower southwest Michigan. A 3 zone system manufactured by a respected company (everyone knows their name) and I “wanted” something good, something creditable with a great rep. ...
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@roseymalino98552 months ago Your unit is a hybrid heat pump.
Wind chill is meaningless to machinery.
You converted your air conditioning system components (blower motor and A-coil) not your furnace.
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@strokedmule3838last year I’ve had heat pumps since 1987, they suck in cold weather. They basically are electric heaters that suck your wallet dry.
I put a gas fireplace in with gas logs and heat my entire house in the winter for a quarter of the price. ...
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@edwardluth7740last year NO! These Heat pumps do not work enough under freezing. Forget it. They should not be placed anywhere in zone 5 or below. Only The South such as Kentucky to southern Missouri down. And in Florida and the Deep South just buy a good seer AC and furnace. They are not worth it in the Deep South. ...
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@gowdsake7103last year No it cannot ! its stupid to say heat pumps can work in any house that actually needs heat 4
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@jimherman859last year NO THIS IS THE ANSWER THEY DO NOT . EXPENSIVE AND NOT ENOUGH HEAT. 1